
Podcast by Tara (Conti) Bansal and Christina (Conti) Donovan

Podcast by Tara (Conti) Bansal and Christina (Conti) Donovan

25 November 2025
In this episode, Tara and Tina explore the longing so many of us feel for a simple gathering ritual — and the very real challenges that keep us from creating one. Inspired by Samin Nosrat’s reflections on the power of regular connection, they talk honestly about hosting anxieties, perfection pressure, and why gathering feels both beautiful and hard. A warm conversation about presence, friendship, and designing rituals that fit real life.
Earlier this fall, Tina accidentally found herself following Samin Nosrat’s entire media tour. Nosrat — the author of the bestselling cookbook and Netflix series Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat — has a new cookbook out called Good Things, and by pure coincidence Tina kept stumbling onto interviews, articles, and podcasts about her. What stayed with her wasn’t the recipes. It was the message underneath them. In each interview and article, Nosrat tells the same story with the same message. She describes how after years of work she finally achieved everything she had ever dreamed of with Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat — and yet she was completely miserable. A regularly scheduled dinner party literally saved her life. She learned that gathering the people you care about is essential to a meaningful life. And the focus of her new book is all about bringing people together. Gathering is what is important and needed in our lives — it is not the food, not the table, nor all the little details we can get hung up on. Her eloquent and persuasive advocacy for connecting through regular gatherings is downright compelling.
Around the same time, Tara came across an article in The Atlantic titled “Americans Need to Party More,” which stated that “only 4% of Americans attended or hosted a social event on an average weekend or holiday in 2023.” According to the article, this is a 35% decrease since 2004. Both Tina and Tara were shocked by this statistic.
And here’s where the tension comes in. We both love the idea of a gathering ritual — something steady, comforting, simple, and woven into the rhythm of our lives. It sounds beautiful and grounding. But when we think about our own schedules, energy levels, families, and the very real anxieties we each have around hosting, it suddenly feels incredibly challenging. We want this… and yet we struggle to make it happen. That tension is at the heart of this episode.
It is easy to believe Samin Nosrat’s claim that a regular or ritual gathering can be profoundly life-changing. That is not a hard sell. But the stark reality is that people seem to be socializing less. If that 4% figure is true — why do people not entertain more? What keeps us from opening our homes and inviting those we have connections with (or want to connect with) to gather? Tina and Tara turn those questions on themselves and discuss their own patterns around hosting – what we enjoy, what stresses us out and what gets in the way. They discuss the pressure to “perform” and the beautiful possibility of gathering friends and family without perfection.
Some of the topics discussed today include:
• how frequently we really entertain friends and family
• the parts of hosting we love — and the parts we dread
• the sources of anxiety around opening our homes
• the time, energy, and logistical constraints that make it hard
• the pressure of social media and comparison
• why ritualized gatherings used to be more common
• the truth behind “perfect is the enemy of good”
• and simple, imperfect ways to gather that aren’t dinner parties
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11 November 2025
Messy Middlescence is thrilled to share their conversation with Carl Richards.
Carl who? – you might ask.
Tina asked Tara that exact question when Tara – breathless with excitement – informed her over the summer that she had secured an interview with Carl. It turns out Tina did know of him through his 50 Fires podcast (which Tara often refers to here on Messy Middlescence) but was unaware of the VERY BIG DEAL that Carl Richards is in the world of finance/financial advising.
When you listen to the interview today, you will quickly understand why. This 27 minute interview is packed with an amazing amount of story-telling, practical advice, and interesting outlooks and ideas.
Carl Richards is the beloved “Sketch Guy” from The New York Times, a bestselling author, speaker, and host of Behavior Gap Radio and 50 Fires podcasts.
He is also smack in the middle of middle age which is the primary focus of this interview and differentiates our conversation from the many others he has done recently for his new book, Your Money: Reimagining Wealth in 101 Simple Sketches.
Tara and Tina discuss with Carl many of the complex yet common issues of mid-life which showcase his financial insights along with his creative (yet often simple) solutions. Carl has a unique perspective on most things which are guaranteed to make you think.
Some of the topics covered today include:
With wisdom, humor, and humility, Carl reminds us that “money is just a door to meaning,” and that midlife isn’t an ending — it’s an invitation to start again, one small step at a time.
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31 October 2025
We all know that person from high school who seemed infinitely connected — the one everyone knew, everyone liked, and who somehow managed to be everywhere at once. For Tara, that person was her dear friend and former swim-team co-captain, Shannon Douglass (now George).
Tara and Tina invited Shannon to talk about connection as part of this season’s theme, but what unfolded was a conversation about something even more universal — reconnection. Shannon opens up about the ways we can lose touch with friends through family obligations, time constraints, and life transitions, and how hard it can be to rebuild those bonds later in life.
Like so many of us in midlife, Shannon realized, “We’re all looking for our friends again.” Hearing someone so outgoing and social talk about loneliness and rediscovery is both comforting and eye-opening — a reminder that even the most connected among us can feel disconnected at times.
The conversation is both hopeful and deeply encouraging. Shannon shares the small, intentional steps she’s taking to make new connections and rekindle old ones, showing that sometimes all it takes is a simple “yes” to an invitation or an unexpected moment of courage.
Highlights include:
• The trap of thinking “I’m going to have more time” as we get older
• The importance of having local friends separate from family
• The patience and persistence it takes to build lasting friendships
• The many forms of service and how they foster connection
• Shannon’s discovery of Impact 100 and community giving
• Friendship rituals that keep relationships alive
• How easy it can be to reach out — and how hard it can be to actually do it
• The different stages of readiness for reconnecting
• The ways Shannon keeps in touch with her (many!) non-local friends
• The beauty of saying yes to the moment, the person, the invitation
• The power of surprising yourself
Through laughter, honesty, and plenty of real-life wisdom, this conversation reminds us that friendship isn’t about having it all figured out — it’s about continuing to show up and say yes.
Shannon found this song. It is so perfect for this episode that we had to add it here:
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14 October 2025
What comes to mind when you think of friendship?
Has your definition of a good friend changed as you’ve gotten older?
Do different friendships meet different needs?
These are some of the questions sisters Tara and Tina explore in this episode of Messy Middlescence.
More and more research reminds us how vital friendships and social connections are as we age. But how we experience friendship — and what we need from it — shifts over time. Each of us brings our own mix of circumstances, energy, and values to the relationships that sustain us.
Tara and Tina open this season’s theme of Friendship and Connection by sharing their own stories and reflections:
what friendship looks like now, what makes it hard, and why it’s worth the effort.
It’s a thoughtful conversation about the comfort of being known, the vulnerability of reaching out, and the small, steady ways we can keep our friendships — and ourselves — growing.
Episode Highlights
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03 October 2025
After a long summer break, we’re back with Season 3 of Messy Middlescence! This first episode feels a bit like gathering at the kitchen table to catch up after being apart — we swap summer stories, reflect on the bittersweetness of how quickly it all went, and look ahead to the fresh start that fall always seems to bring.
One of the highlights: Tina shares her experience of completing her first-ever triathlon. It pushed her outside her comfort zone and reminded both of us how often, in midlife, we shy away from new challenges. Her story is a lesson in trying something different, facing nerves, and the joy of doing it alongside a friend.
That spirit of connection is what led us to choose our theme for Season 3: friendship and connection. We’ll be exploring the many ways relationships shift in midlife — how they deepen, how they sometimes fade, and why nurturing them matters so much as we move through this stage of life.
We’d love to hear from you, too: What role do friendships play in your life right now? Have you tried something new recently that surprised you? We would love to hear your answers to these questions.
In this episode you’ll hear:
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24 June 2025
It’s June! Tara and Tina are ready for swimsuits, sunscreen, and slower days. But before they head to the beach, they want to bring their second season of Messy Middlescence to a close. This season finale has no fireworks, cliffhangers or special guests. Just two sisters sitting down to process what this season has meant to them.
In this short but heartfelt finale, they look back on the 20 (!!) episodes of Season 2 and discuss their favorite episodes, the moments that moved them, and the conversations that made them laugh, cry, and grow. They also share some behind-the-scenes information, talk listener growth, and dream aloud about what’s ahead for Season 3. This episode is as much about looking back as it is about looking ahead—with gratitude, perspective, and hope. If you’re in your own season of change or reflection, we hope it helps you feel seen, inspired, and ready for summer.
🎧 Highlights include:
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