
Podcast by Tara (Conti) Bansal and Christina (Conti) Donovan

Podcast by Tara (Conti) Bansal and Christina (Conti) Donovan

20 October 2026
We are all familiar with the word “joy”. It is hard not to be these days. The word seems to be everywhere, from advertisements and cleaning philosophies to countless books, articles, and podcasts.
When did joy become so prominent in our culture? We do not remember hearing much about it in our youth or early adulthood, apart from the occasional Christmas carol or religious hymn. Yet phrases such as “Does it spark joy?” are now part of our cultural vocabulary.
What exactly is joy? Is it different from happiness? Is it a fleeting feeling that comes from a particular experience, or something deeper and more enduring? And why are we talking about it so much these days?
Ironically, the pursuit—or even obsession—with joy can become self-defeating. In our busy lives, where we are often striving to accomplish more, is joy becoming just another thing we are working toward?
Despite being fashionable, we believe joy plays an important role in our mental well-being and can deepen our sense of life’s goodness and sacredness. In today’s episode, we explore joy in our personal lives and in the broader culture. We talk about the things that bring us joy and the obstacles that can get in the way.
We don't come away with any definitive answers, but we enjoyed exploring these questions together.
Topics discussed include:
We hope the conversation inspires you to reflect on the role of joy in your own life.
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06 October 2026
It is hard to believe, but today we launch Season 4 of Messy Middlescence with our 63rd episode! As we have done for the past few seasons, we begin by looking back at our respective summers. We describe the highlights and moments that will stay with us as we move into cooler weather and the more structured/scheduled days of fall.
We also introduce our new theme of “Transformation” for the upcoming season. We discuss how we landed on this theme, along with some of our reservations and concerns about taking on such a big topic. Much of our conversation revolves around what transformation actually means and the different ways we might explore it in future episodes.
Some of the questions we consider include:
We also share examples of transformation - or what we think might qualify as transformation - from our own lives and the lives of people we know.
Transformation is a big topic to take on as a theme, and we admit we are more than a little intimidated by it. BUT we are also excited and curious to see where it takes us. We hope you will join us on our journey this season as we explore transformation in all its forms.
And for this season, at the end of each episode, one of us, or our guest, will share something that is bringing us joy right now. We hope it will encourage all of us to notice a little more of the joy present in our everyday lives.
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25 August 2026
As we continue to revisit some earlier episodes of Messy Middlescence this summer, we're bringing back an episode from Season #2 called "Little P's." It explores an idea that seems to keep showing up for us: maybe we don't need to figure out one big Purpose for our lives. Maybe we need to pay closer attention to the smaller things that interest us, bring us joy and are curious about.
Tara is currently reading Range by David Epstein, which explores the value of experimenting, trying different things and bringing knowledge and ideas from one area into another. It feels especially relevant today, when there is so much pressure to specialize early and become increasingly good at one particular thing. We encourage our kids to choose their sports, majors and careers, while as adults we can become increasingly comfortable just staying with what we already know and do well.
What if, instead, we allowed ourselves to experiment? Particularly during middlescence, when so much in our lives may already be changing, perhaps we don't need to have everything figured out before deciding what comes next. We can try small things, notice what gives us energy and joy, and use that information to guide us. Think of them as little life experiments.
In the original episode, Tara and Tina discuss a podcast episode from The Happiness Lab with Dr. Laurie Santos about finding purpose. One of their biggest takeaways was the distinction between finding one big Purpose with a capital P and discovering the many little p purposes that can give our lives more meaning and joy.
Finding one big purpose can feel daunting and overwhelming. Instead, what if we paid attention to the things we enjoy doing, the things that make us lose track of time, or even the things we loved when we were younger? Our little p's don't have to change the world, become a career or make us money. They can simply be things that make our lives richer and more enjoyable.
In this episode, Tara and Tina discuss:
Perhaps most importantly, we don't have to know where an interest will lead before we pursue it. We can take a class, try a new hobby, pick up the instrument, meet someone new or follow something simply because we're curious.
And then pay attention.
Did you enjoy it? Did it give you energy? Do you want to do it again?
Sometimes the best way to figure out what we want isn't to think about it more. It's to try something and see what happens.
What little life experiment(s) would you like to try?
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06 August 2026
We decided the summer break is an ideal time to re-release some earlier Messy Middlescence episodes. Maybe you are a new listener and unfamiliar with our earlier seasons. Or, perhaps you are a long-time listener but some topics may resonate differently if you choose to re-listen.
Our first re-release is the opening episode of Season #2 titled "Err on the Side of Presence". The theme for Season #2 was grief -- in all the different forms it can take and all the different ways it can affect us. The catalyst for this season's theme and opening episode was the very sudden death of a close friend of Tina and her husband. We think this episode has many important messages not just about death and grief but also about living a life full of connection and meaning.
Season #2 of Messy Middlescence begins with a heavy and difficult topic: grief. It may seem like an odd choice for a season opener but Tina’s family and community experienced an unexpected and tragic loss just a few weeks ago. It was a personal reminder that these middlescence years are often full of painful and sorrowful events. We may encounter the loss of — not just older family members — but of friends, neighbors or colleagues. It caused us to think deeply and personally about how do we get through difficult times of grief and loss? How do we help people we care about who have suffered a devastating loss?
This past January, a guest essay was published in The New York Times titled, “Train Yourself to Always Show Up” by Rabbi Sharon Brous. This essay, which is excerpted from her book, The Amen Effect, made a profound impression on both Tara and Tina. It was an article and topic they had planned to discuss in the future, and in light of the recent personal circumstances, the timing felt right to begin the season with these topics.
In this episode, Tina and Tara discuss and explore the beautiful words and ideas from Rabbi Brous’s article, which can act as a guiding light for those in middlescence.
These include:
This episode is the first of several that will attempt to tackle these difficult and painful topics.
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15 July 2026
As we wrap up the third season of Messy Middlescence, Tara and Tina take some time to look back on the conversations, guests, and ideas that stayed with us long after the microphones were turned off.
When we chose "connection" as our theme for Season 3, we knew it would be broad. What we didn't anticipate was just how many different forms connection would take and how timely the topic seems to be in our lives right now. Throughout the season, we explored connection through friendship, grief, creativity, honest conversation, and the importance of hosting and gathering. Alongside those theme-related discussions, we also covered important and informational topics involving money, long-term care, estate planning, life coaching, and health and fitness. Looking back on our season, we are struck not only by the diversity of our guests and our conversations but also by how deeply connection touches every part of our lives.
In this season finale, we reflect on some of our favorite episodes, the conversations that changed us personally, and the ways we've become more intentional about making time for the people who matter most. We also share what surprised us about doing the podcast together, what we've learned from one another over the past three seasons, and what we're hoping to carry with us into the future.
As the conversation turns toward summer, we find ourselves talking about something unexpected: the importance of having something to look forward to each day. It doesn't have to be a vacation or a major milestone. Sometimes it's as simple as a walk outside, a good book, dessert after dinner, or time with someone you love. Those small moments of anticipation and connection may be what help create a life that feels rich and meaningful.
Thank you for spending another season with us. We hope these conversations bring as much meaning and joy to your life as they as do to ours.
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30 June 2026
Our season-long theme of “connection” couldn't be more timely. In September of 2025, the Surgeon General declared loneliness and isolation a national epidemic as many people struggle to maintain meaningful social ties. Remote work, social media, and increasing polarization have all contributed to rising loneliness and its impact on both our physical and emotional well-being.
For our final interview of the season, we welcome Scott Kelsey and Christine Passo from Shareapy, a platform that blends modern technology with the timeless practice of honest conversation. Through facilitated virtual gatherings, Shareapy creates a space where people can share openly, listen deeply, and build meaningful connection. It is not a substitute for social interaction or clinical therapy. Instead, it offers another way to strengthen our capacity for conversation—and, in doing so, deepen our connection with ourselves and others.
Rather than offering advice or trying to solve problems, Shareapy creates a welcoming community where people can be honest without pressure to put on a positive face, explain themselves, or immediately find solutions. Its focus on sharing, listening, and thoughtful conversation helps counter the isolation many of us experience in daily life.
In this conversation, we discuss:
If you've ever wished for a place where you could simply be yourself, be heard, and know you're not alone, we think you'll find this conversation both encouraging and inspiring.
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